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So, I thought this week was going to be better than last. Wrong. Jesus fucking Christ, people, have you all lost your fucking minds? There are things I want to say, but I can't out of interest of not hurting feelings, but my lord do I want to tell you all something.

First an for most? Fucking stop it. Step back and look at yourselves in the damn mirror and ask yourself what you are doing.

You, seriously. Have you stopped thinking about yourself long enough to realize that you are not the only person in this situation that has feelings that can and will be hurt? You've never, NEVER expressed much interest in this plot. Oh, yeah, I know you'd argue the counter-point, but let me put it to you this way. The only things you've added to the plot have been small, off to the side, and rare. You've never posted unless prompted many times over, and you've never gone out of your way to actually make people feel that you were interested beyond saying "OH I love this idea." That doesn't count as interested. You have made people feel boxed in and under-appreciated, and above all- you have made this time and time again about you. This is not your sandbox, these plots were decided on by the people that were most active in the RP, and it is not and never will be their responsibility to make sure you are on top of things.

You were given the option to follow the post or not. It clearly states that it does not affect everyone unless you want to it affect you. This is not worth the drama you've brought to the table. This isn't a problem with the other poster, this is a problem with you. Stop it. Stop being a selfish child.

And you? Stop hiding behind the wall. If things bother you, or upset you tell people before they become a problem. Yes, I know you are aware of your folly, and I know that you didn't mean to hurt feelings, and that your are upset right now. But if you had stepped up and told people how you felt before now? This wouldn't be the issue that it is. Sometimes you have to realize that you just can't RP with someone, be it personality quirks or simple disagreement on style.

You need to learn that while conflict is tiresome, and bad sometimes? It is a part of communication and cannot be avoided all the time. This could have been avoided in part if you'd only spoken up.

However, I've told you this time and time again, and I will not beat the dead horse.


All told? You both need to step back and realize that with high emotions neither of you are going to accomplish anything. And also? You both had bad days, I get it, but don't take your bad days out on each other over a trivial matter that should not, and never will be that big a deal.

When RPing becomes a big enough issue that it 'wrecks' your whole day? You need to stop, step back, and re-evaluate your life. You need to re-establish your IC/OOC lines, and you need to communicate. However? Communication goes both ways, so before you start screaming, stop and think about how well you've communicated with the person you are upset with, verses how well they've communicated with you. Stop focusing on 'them' and realize that conflict requires you to look inward and acknowledge your own faults before you can communicate precisely what it bothering you.

That being said?

Enough of it. Cut the passive-aggressive sniping out. It does not make you look like the adults you claim to be.

Date: 2009-11-16 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notthatjaded.insanejournal.com
And no, how could I show interest in that part of the plot, since I've never heard of it?

Yes. I'm sorry, but you have. I know I distinctly remember this because I remember you saying you didn't want Set to "fix" Hathor.

I know that Jag has been talked to about it too because she said the same about Paul. I can't speak for whether Anna knew about it beacuse, to be honest, we don't talk and I wasn't sure she really wanted to do much with Peter, anyway.

because there will be consequences to all

Not really. Set did this in private. If the spell never touches Hathor (for instance), she has no reason to know about it. Especially if it doesn't touch Paul either. At this point, the only character not already "fixed" that I know it will affect is mine, David. And before I did that, I was going to talk to Jag about it to see what she wanted to do with Star and Dee.

Is lack of elementary communication

And you're right. I should've at least given a headsup to everybody "hey, I'm about to do this" but again, being honest here? I wasn't going to not make the post no matter what. All it would have done was give you a little longer to know it was coming. But I still feel like I shouldn't have to run everything I think I want to do with my own character (especially when I go out of my way to explicitly state it only affects those who choose it to affect them) by other people. It's like if I were RPing a combat scene with someone, I would say "so-and-so swings a punch at such-and-such", I wouldn't first ask the player, "hey, is it okay if so-and-so tries to punch such-and-such?" and then the player still has the option of whether or not the punch actually connects and we go from there.

And I guess I feel like, you know what? I can't think of a time within the past few months, at minimum, that anyone (save EJ) in this sandbox has come to me wanting to play with my characters or actually do something related to this plot that, yes, has been in the works since summertime. Gosh it would be nice to know you actually cared ahead of time about plotting rather than only hearing about it after the fact when I do something you don't agree with. But I pretty much feel like if I had just let things lie, no one would have brought up wanting to do a thing with Set. Or David. Or whotheheckever.

I'm honestly upset about this. You talk about communication but you went and made a passive-aggressive-sounding post in your lj instead of actually coming to me and saying this bothered you and asking if we could work it out. I feel like I did let those who were ever very much involved know this was coming, even if a lot of time has passed since I said, "hey, Set is totally trying to "fix" all the gods since he screwed it up in the first place, back in the day." I made sure to make it so that his "fix" only affects those who choose it. I don't feel I need your, or anyone's, permission on what my character does or doesn't do.

If that means you're angry and don't want to play with me anymore, that's fine.

But for the record? This wasn't about you. It wasn't malicious. It wasn't a "nasty move" intended to upset anybody. I had had this idea coming for ages now and only last night felt inspired enough to actually make up the post how I liked it. For all I knew, nobody was still following whatever he did anyway and nothing would come of it, but at least I got it out there and I could let that part of his story rest.

Date: 2009-11-16 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kikibug13.insanejournal.com
First of all, yes, I did say that I did not want Set to 'fix' Hathor, but that is not the same thing as knowing that he'll try to 'fix' everybody universally. With a single spell at the same time. It came out that it would be kind of how he did with Jack and Diana. Which, you surely see it, is a totally different thing. But no, since I'm tapping out of there, I'm going to go into why it should, if played well, have consequences on everybody, one way or another.

Anna has said that no, she didn't know, which was the second time you blindsided her with something that her muse will need to react to, the first being Jack and Diana's deaths. Again, it's not a question of Okaying. It's a question of heads up so the mun can mentally prepare for the backlash from the muse. You two might not get muse bleeds, but the rest of us aren't that lucky. I'm spending enough time curled up crying over real stress to be willing to take up more for a muse without warning. Honest.

I haven't asked because I've relied on you guys, who have been playing there for way longer (e.g., I had NO IDEA THAT IT WAS SET who he screwed it up in the first place, back in the day. I'm missing important pieces of information, and I know it. So I depend on you guys to let me know when something should be happening. And have been let down twice now.

FYI, I've been reading all the threads of Set and Heru or Set and Star or David and Star or David and Dee, etc., etc., that I've been able to find. (Some, by the time I get up, have been buried so deep back in the posts that, since they don't get linked, I miss. As I pointed out above, you guys do the play while I'm physically not able to either participate in it or follow it and react accordingly. Which can be worked around in some cases; it doesn't, in all. Because everything has to happen NOW OMG no bendy time or anything. As the previous plot attempt showed.) And yes, I think it's interesting. But between the two snafus, I have no wish to try to play in that sandbox. It's just too much effort and too little consideration.

No, I do not want to not play with you anymore - it's too interesting. Not sure I want to tangle with your gods, though. Yes, I'm angry, but that shall probably pass.

I didn't say it was malicious. I said it came off as a nasty move - it was inconsiderate, and the timing turned it into much worse, for me in particular. If a sentence about somebody godmodding - and it is that - without naming names or giving specifics is passive aggressive, then so be it. But I am honestly out of cope enough to cut down on personal communication such as IM, and have been for more than a day before I even saw that post. And definitely sufficiently out of cope enough to not have the energy to reach personally to anybody, anybody at all. Make of that what you will.

Date: 2009-11-16 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notthatjaded.insanejournal.com
All I'm seeing here is that we're obviously of two very different minds about what happened here. I, for one, do not see what I did as godmodding (since that would have constituted me categorically stating what was done directly affecting what happened to your character and how your character reacted to it). I also feel like I must have said this was Set's plan to you. If I didn't, I'm sorry, but I feel like that came up. Maybe I somehow only told Jag and EJ, it's possible.

And the more I think about it, the more I think we need to give each other a break. You may be willing to play with my other characters but I'm not sure I am.

Date: 2009-11-16 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kikibug13.insanejournal.com
I see any major action that potentially affects other people's characters carried out without specific acknowledgment that the mun is aware it's coming as godmodding. And even if the spell does not affect a certain muse directly, it will, in other ways, unless they literally do not know anybody.

As you will.

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